Heya baker, many thanks for halting by and permitting us know! great thought about using a seamstress taper them in the human body. Hi Tug, Experimented with the mock turtle but choose the thinner collar. The ones I’ve been getting from jockey are called “stay neat”. Are the items on https://vivushirt.com/product/zio-lovedoveclarke-i-holla-for-collards-shirt-t-shirt-hoodie-sweater-long-sleeve-tshirt-and-tank-top/